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Strange Happenings at Sera Monastery March 4, 2008

Posted by Philip Ryan in Tibet.
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The Dorje Shugden controversy goes on. Were monks devoted to Dorje Shugden discriminated against at Sera Monastery in India?

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1. Commentator - March 13, 2008

“A house divided can’t stand.” Abraham Lincoln.

Many of the great Lamas of past generation dedicated themselves to rebuilding these monasteries in South India. This includes Song, Trijang, Zemey Rinpoche and many others. They were all devotees to Dorje Shugden.

So, is this discrimination? It is worse, it is creating the conditions to force practitioners to break commitments to their root Gurus. These Gurus are the ones who dedicated themselves to preserving Tibetan tradition in exile, not Chinese partisans as they are accused of being now.

2. Jimmy Mountains - March 14, 2008

How can the police be policing the monks to be “peaceful”? This is so contradictory to everything Buddha has taught.

How can some monks sit by and have food/tea and watch other monks go without??? What kind of politics is influencing/forcing the monks to act in that manner? What an embarrassment to the Tibetan/Indian/Buddhist authorities. I feel ashamed. I do not mean any disrespect, but I am very embarrassed.

3. Duncan - March 14, 2008

As of this year, since HHDL visited the great Monasteries in south India the monks of Polmra at Sera are certainly being discriminated against. They are being thoroughly ostracized, accused of being traitors on the basis of their faith, not allowed to mix with the other monks, which means they cant get their normal provisions such as food etc.
This is a very sad time for the Ganden Tradition, so easily swayed by political preasure.

4. Robert Thomas - April 21, 2008

Evidence of the actions to discriminate against these practitioners:
http://www.shugdensociety.info/outcastSociety.html

Really tragic

5. Dharmapal - June 19, 2008

Verifiable reports came through from sources in the Tibetan settlements in India that:

* Agents of the Dalai Lama are trying to destroy Palgyeling Monastery in Nepal.
* A small mob supportive of the Dalai Lama’s ban burnt down the house and hotel of Tenzing Choegyal (Zongkar Choede) in New Delhi last Thursday.
* A doctor who was helping Dorje Shugden practitioners was attacked yesterday at a clinic in a Tibetan settlement (Ooti) that was giving out medicines for tuberculosis.
* The Dalai Lama’s sister Pema is in Paris starting the forced signature campaign of Tibetans in France.
* The forced signature campaign is being arranged for Madison, US, in July 2008.

Meanwhile, the Dalai Lama has been in England talking about tolerance, religious harmony and the need for dialog with one’s enemies. He has still refused every single request to discuss the unlawful ban on the worship of Dorje Shugden.

Segregation

Today the entire Tibetan population is being forced to hold an Identity Card, the YELLOW CARD, proving that they took the oath swearing (1) not to worship Dorje Shugden, and (2) not to have any material or spiritual relationship with Dorje Shugden practitioners.

This segregates and denies the human rights of both monastics and lay families.

Segregation in the monasteries

Buddhist monks and nuns who do not swear and are not given the Yellow Card are:

* Not allowed to eat with others
* Deprived of food. They are not allowed in any of the monastery’s kitchens. Even if they receive some external help for their survival, they cannot buy food from the monastery’s shop or anywhere in the nearby Tibetan settlements
* Not allowed to set foot in their main temple,
* Not allowed to attend the daily monastic gatherings of prayers, rituals and debates
* Having to be protected by Indian police to attend the sacred yearly Monlam Chenmo Festival, created by their religious founder Je Tsongkapa.
* Receiving violent threats in the neighbouring Tibetan settlements, cowardly posted during the night

It is forbidden to talk to them. It is forbidden to walk close to them. If you see one of them, you have to deviate your steps to not cross his or her path.

Segregation in the lay community

Lay Tibetans have been made to swear the double oath of not worshipping the Protector Dorje Shugden themselves as well as forsaking all contact with the monastic practitioners.

Those who do not swear and are not given the Yellow Card:

* Are not allowed to travel in the same taxicab or rickshaw with other Tibetans.
* Cannot purchase even the most essential groceries (their children cannot even buy candy)
* Eat in any restaurant
* Lose their jobs
* Have their children expelled from school

Definition of Segregation from Cornell: 3 -Segregation -1. enforced separation of groups: the practice of keeping ethnic, racial, religious, or gender groups separate, especially by enforcing the use of separate schools, transportation, housing, and other facilities, and usually discriminating against a minority group.
4 -A civil right is an enforceable right or privilege, which if interfered with by another gives rise to an action for injury. Examples of civil rights are freedom of speech, press, and assembly [.] and the right to equality in public places.
Discrimination occurs when the civil rights of an individual are denied or interfered with because of their membership in a particular group or class. (Cornell University Law School).]

Does the Dalai Lama have the right to do this?

Although the world has been served an image of the Dalai Lama as the religious leader — a Pope of sorts — of all Buddhists, he is not. He does not have any religious authority to do what he is doing. In a general way this is because Buddhism accepts all internal religious beliefs and doesn’t harbor the notion of persecuting heresy, and in particular because there is no level of authority in the Buddhist religion to order or implement a religious persecution.

Who is responsible for the ban, Yellow Card and resulting penalties for those who disobey?

Everything going on now is the direct responsibility of the Dalai Lama. He has been campaigning personally to push the abbots and monks to do the referendum and make others take the double oath.

He is responsible for the persecution because he chose the necessary words to push Tibetans to become the tormentors of their fellow exiles by repeating four calumnies over and over again:

1-The worshipping of Dorje Shugden endangers his life
2-It harms the cause of Tibet.
3-Practitioners assassinated three monks in Dharamsala in the 1990s
4-Practitioners are working for the Chinese to harm the cause of Tibet

To measure how deep the crisis goes, consider the following statement by Ngawang Tenpa, Officer of the Cholsum organization, the largest regional group in Tibetan politics:

“It is possible to think of a time when we will make friends with the Chinese, but with these (Dorje Shugden) people – never.”

6. Tenzin - July 16, 2008

Monks are not discriminated as it is claimed here. The Dorje Shugden ‘cult’ is seen by the majority (including the masters of the four schools of Tibetan Buddhism) in general as very harmful. Monasteries have the right to set up rules to protect themselves against the negative influence of that practice. The majority support and hold the same view as HH the Dalai Lama and all the other masters. Dorje Shugden followers are free to practice at their own places or to set up their own places. The Monastic Communities are free to forbid that practice where they abide. There is nothing wrong with this. Moreover I would like to ask those Buddhists and those who are monks and nuns to remind the Buddhist Ethics and the monastic rules, and to live accordingly.

For a background of the complex setting one can visit my blogsite:
http://westernshugdensociety.wordpress.com/
or website: http://info-buddhism.com/Western_Shugden_Society_unlocked.html

I would be happy if Tricycle can research that issue and publish an unbiased and fair article. Thanks.

7. Tenzin - July 16, 2008

Dharmapal I can not take your or NKT”s/WSS’s way of informing people serious. I wish not to deny that there happened things which are injustice or that in some cases people over reacted. But on the other hand this is also true for those who were threatened by followers of Shugden, e.g. the Abbot of Sera Je or the three killed monks. There is no one-way in that issue. Things happen due to many causes, conditions and circumstances, they are dependent arising. It is impossible to blame one person, HHDL, if one understands that.

HHDL is fully supported in his view by the monastic community. If you see a conflict you have to see it in full perspective. The monasteries have the right to set up rules against a practice which is seen by them as harmful. There is nothing wrong with this. Moreover the decision is made by the majority, there is no dictator here. In monasteries with about 5000 monks harmony is most important, how they solve conflicts and quarrels this is their business and they do it accordingly to the Vinaya. How can you or NKT judge this as you don’t know the Vinaya or monastic life?

I have set up a blog and a website to at least balance the misinformation campaign of the NKT/WSS as long as there is no independent and well-researched press article available:
http://westernshugdensociety.wordpress.com/
http://info-buddhism.com/Western_Shugden_Society_unlocked.html

In the latter link one can find some other views including a report of a witness.

8. Tenzin - July 16, 2008

Sorry, the first post didn’t appear so I wrote a second one. Now there are both and this third one here… I think the main points have been said. Thanks.

9. Lyara Atkins - July 26, 2008

Since this blog post started on March 13, things have gone from bad to worse. There is now a segretation wall erected at Ganden monastery, separating monk from monk. The enforced signature campaign has spread from monastery to monastery and lay community to lay community, in the East and even in the West (in Madison and NY), inspiring the Western Shugden Society to protest the Dalai Lama wherever he teaches. In NYC, the mood amongst Dalai Lama followers turned ugly and the police had to remove the Dorje Shugden protestors for their own safety. Every day new stories of discrimination and ostracism, some submerged for years as Tibetans have been finding the courage to tell them, are appearing. For a daily update, please see http://www.WisdomBuddhaDorjeShugden.org and its blogspot http://www.WisdomBuddhaDorjeShugden.blogspot.com. There is also a growing body of press articles about the subject — including the New York Times, New York Post and Time Magazine. And there are videos galore on YouTube. Dorje Shugden practitioners are now telling their stories everywhere in the fervent hope that the Dalai Lama will lift his ban and let everyone have religious freedom.

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12. Tenzin - August 11, 2008

I wish to add here that the “Stick” referendum is in accordance with the Vinaya and that the expulsion of monks who create split and quarrel in the monasteries is also according to the Vinaya and democratic principles. A lot of what is claimed by Western Shugden Society is based on not knowing things properly and superimpositions on things they either exaggerate or take out of context.

About the stick referendum and other stuff related to monastic issues see:
http://westernshugdensociety.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/the-stick-referendum-against-buddhist-and-democratic-principles/

13. Khedrup - August 11, 2008

There are many reasons that Shugden practitioners were asked to leave the monastics community, and many of them have to do with their repeated agitations. Rather than the Dalai Lamas restrictions, this situations was precipitated by the murder of Ven. Lobsang Gyatso and his two monk assistants at the Dialectics Institute in Dharamsala. These murders were traced to Shugden activists originating from Chinese occupied Tibet. Warrants were issued by the non-Buddhist and neutral Indian police, who would have nothing to gain by lying. See the interview with the police chief here:
http://westernshugdensociety.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/the-stick-referendum-against-buddhist-and-democratic-principles/

The referendum at Sera happened well after the repeated agitations of the Shugden monks. For almost ten years even after the murder was committed, the monasteries allowed the Shugden prayer. But the Shugden monks kept agitating, including locking a member of the visiting Central Administration at Sera Monastery and tying him to a chair. As well, monks who didn’t want to recite the Shugden prayer and didn’t attend house pujas were fined by pro-Shugden disciplinarians.

Having lived at Sera for two years, I think I have a better idea of the situations. Most NKT students have never set foot in India. And the one who has, Kelsang Pema, was there for a mere two weeks and doesn’t speak Tibetan.

14. Khedrup - August 11, 2008

If these statements about house burnings etc. are true, why are there no police reports or verifiable pictures for viewing? These reports are far from verifiable, they are at worst lies and at best conjecture and insinuation.

15. goldenmala - August 14, 2008

Why doesn’t Tricycle do another article about the Dorje Shugden Controversy? Stephen Batchelor’s well-balanced article ‘Letting Daylight Into Magic’ was very beneficial for making the arguments of both sides clear back in 1997. The general Buddhist community is pretty clueless about what’s going on. Many of them just believe what the Dalai Lama says “those Shugden’s are all PRC”. Supposedly we’re all on the Chinese payroll. I know hundreds of Shugden practictioners and I don’t know a single one who has received a paycheck from the Chinese Government. It doesn’t appear that Tricycle would take a biased approach to such an article.

Do the Editors of Tricycle have the courage to brave such controversial waters once again?

Please send journalist to India to do a thorough investigation into what is happening to Shugden practitioners.

It would be non-Buddhist for Tricycle not to even check and see how far spread the persecution is. Wouldn’t it?

For updates on the persecution of Shugden practitioners in India and Tibet please visit:
http://www.wisdombuddhadorjeshugden.blogspot.com
or
http://www.shugdensociety.wordpress.com

16. Tenzin - August 17, 2008

There are so many Tibetans in the Western Shugden Society (WSS) that Khedrub’s dismissive comments are patronizing at best. I personally know many Tibetans who have suffered as a direct result of the ban of their religious practice of Buddha Dorje Shugden, and sadly there are many more where they came from. The truth is coming out as more and more Tibetans (monks and lay people) step forward to tell their testimonies. Check out http://www.aboutwss.org to see more and more evidence.

France 24 TV have just done a whole documentary showing evidence of the ban and persecution of Tibetan Dorje Shugden practitioners that has nothing whatsoever to do with NKT practitioners of this Dharma Protector. If you have not seen it yet, here it is:

http://www.france24.com/en/20080808-dalai-lama-demons-india-buddhism-dorje-shugden

Also, to get a better sense of what Tibetans who worship Buddha Shugden (or dare opposed the Dalai Lama for anything at all) are up against, please see this video:

17. Tenzin - August 17, 2008

That foolish vote stick referendum is a travesty of democracy and religious freedom! And monks who have chosen the wrong colored stick have to live in segregation at Ganden monastery, for example, behind a wall.

For more videos, please look in the July archives of http://www.WisdomBuddhaDorjeShugden.blogspot.com and always on the very informative http://www.aboutwss.com

Some Nyingma practitioners sheltered Dorje Shugden practitioners who had been expelled from their monasteries. Many Dorje Shugden Tibetans have testified to the good relationship they had with fellow Buddhists from different traditions before the Dalai Lama introduced this disastrous policy of separating monk from monk, brother from brother.

The Dalai Lama could put a stop to this if he changed his views and let everyone practice their religion in peace and harmony. Just the views of one single man causing so much suffering!

18. Tenzin - August 30, 2008

The WSS claim of the “segregation wall” is also wrong. Sera had these walls since years and before they decided to expell the Shugden monks who pushed up events in Sera until finally Sera was almost closed.

For two images of the walls from 2003/2004 see the updated post :
http://westernshugdensociety.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/funny-propaganda/

About WSS spin doctor methods see:
http://westernshugdensociety.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/western-shugden-society-propaganda-unlimited/

Someone posted here and elsewhere were I posted unter Tenzin, my monk’s name, also as Tenzin, but this new Tenzin is not me. I wonder what the motivation of this WSS poster is.

Best wishes, Tenzin Peljor

19. Khedrup - August 31, 2008

At the recent WSS demos in France there were far fewer Tibetans than ever. I don’t see how there are “so many” Tibetan members of WSS. At the WSS website in the French demos it shows maximum between 3-5. I think the WSS tactics have been increasingly militant and offensive, so even Tibetans who many have sympathized are now no longer willing to support them.
Much of the WSS “evidence” can be refuted, as you can see on the blog linked to above. Strangely, the agitators are basically denying HH Dalai Lama the right to set policy in his own monasteries – a very strange custom, especially since before there was a restriction the monks voted on the issue. In monastic communities, when there is such a split and it cannot be resolved through vinaya procedures, the two communities go seperate ways. The Shugden monks are not homeless and have kept their dorms, kitchens and in the case of Pomra the school.
Shugden people would force the monastery to recognize worship and allow a schism to form. The best solution is for them to build their own institutions.

For a scholarly analysis of why the practice is harmful and political, read “A Shuk-Den Affair, Origins of a Controversy”.

In the meantime, WSS needs to analyze if pushing this issue, which they don’t understand, is worth harming the reputation of Buddhism worldwide. because in fact, the uninformed public sees the protests and tends to walk away disgusted with the entire religion.

In this critical time for Tibet, such disputes are completely toxic to the peace process.

20. Jason - September 5, 2008

Hi Khedrup – The use of the word militant is a tad strong..At every protest the local police have praised those involved for their peaceful discipline! Perhaps there were so few Tibetans because they are scared that they and their family will be further cast out from the Tibetan community – if that’s possible. In New York there were a lot more Tibetans at the protest, prepared to stand up for their freedom. One Tibetan man, who was standing outside the protest pen, voiced his support but said he couldn’t join in because he was so worried about what would happen to his family who are still in India. Later on there were pictures of the protestors posted up in Tibetan restaurants in Queens. When we were evacuated from the scene by the police one of the Tibetan protestors said ‘now you have some idea of what is like for Shugden worshippers in India’
You say ‘allow a schism to form’ – did that not already happen with the ban? I understand well enough thanks – we are bringing a policy of Buddhist apartheid to the public’s attention – how wonderful if through this protest campaign the ban is lifted. At least some dialogue from the Dalai Lama would be a step forward..Then we would have an inspiring example of Buddhist harmony to show the world.

21. JM Lee - September 5, 2008

Perhaps some people do not know this, but Buddha himself imposed segregation on bikshus and bikshunis who were acting out of order. They were not to partake in sojong, nor beg for alms with the others. No other member of the sangha was to communicate with them. This was the harshest discplinary action enforced by the Buddha. Furthermore, when Devadatta was about, Buddha avoided him and advised members of the sangha to do so as well. So if the Sera monks do not wish to perform sojong with Shugden monks, there is no reason why the monastery should perform it, as the sangha is not in harmony. Considering the claims that such a large number of monks and lay people are being persecuted, I don’t see why they can’t set themselves in a separate pro-Shugden monastery.

As for the Dalai Lama’s ban, it was originally the use of a teacher’s right to refuse students, in this case people who practised Shugden. However, as time went by and they continued to attend even initiations from him, harsher measures were put in place. Not to mention that many of the monasteries such as Sera, Drepung and Ganden have always been loyal to the Dalai Lama.

22. Manjushri's Sword - September 6, 2008

JM Lee – the Dalai Lama does not have the right to dictate to others what spiritual practices they should do, and when they refuse to comply, deny them basic human conditions such as food, travel and contact with their families.

Who decides who is ‘acting out of order’? These Shugden monks are following the ancient practice of Dorje Shugden completely in accordance with traditional Gelugpa practice as supported by great Gelug Lamas such as Trijang Rinpoche. What gives the Dalai Lama the right to change this? He’s not the head of the Gelugpa tradition. His ban is illegal and unethical. It is the Dalai Lama’s position that is not traditional – it is he who is ‘acting out of order’.

Traditionally, Dharma can be denied to certain people in certain situations. I don’t think that the Dalai Lama has the right to deny Buddha’s teachings to those who are following the practices of his own root Guru. It is a downfall of the bodhisattva vows not to give Dharma to those who desire it. This is another example of where the Dalai Lama is acting our of order and his example is now being followed by Lama Zopa of the FPMT. These are very sad times spiritually and it’s shameful for these former students of Trijang Rinpoche to be acting against his teachings like this.

23. Tenzin - September 7, 2008

JM Lee you are very right. Also, those few Tibetan monks protesting with WSS/NKT go clearly against their monks vows. What the expelled monks can do is to stop to violate their monk’s ethic by refraining from:

1. Causing a Division within the Sangha (monastic order)
2. Siding with a schismatic (Geshe Kelsang Gyatso)
3. Causing lay people to lose faith in the Sangha
4. Not Heeding advice about one’s offences

Westerners, especially NKT members, lack understanding of the Vinaya and Buddhist history. Thank you for you comment with sheds light on this issue. Tenzin Peljor

24. The ‘Stick’ Referendum - against Buddhist and democratic principles? « Western Shugden Society - unlocked - September 7, 2008

[…] As for the Dalai Lama’s ban, it was originally the use of a teacher’s right to refuse students, in this case people who practised Shugden. However, as time went by and they continued to attend even initiations from him, harsher measures were put in place. Not to mention that many of the monasteries such as Sera, Drepung and Ganden have always been loyal to the Dalai Lama. (see: comment by JM Lee) […]

25. goldenmala - September 8, 2008

Hey Peljor,

Since when is it non virtuous to for Buddhist monks to protest?
http://whydalailamawhy.blogspot.com/2008/09/thousands-of-buddhists-rally.html

Who created this schism? Was it Geshe Kelsang or was it the Dalai Lama?

Let’s see:

-This is a 350 year old practice that has been practiced in these monasteries until recently.

-It was taught by all the great Gelugpa masters for the last 350 years.

-The Dalai Lama said all the great Gelugpa masters are wrong and he has ban the heart practice of Gelugpas.

-The Dalai Lama is the head of the Tibetan Government in Exile. He is not the head of the Gelugpa tradition.

-This schism did not exist before the ban on Dorje Shugden.

-The Dalai Lama is the sole initiator, and maintainer of this religious discrimination.

– The Dalai Lama is causing the largest schism in the history of the Gelugpa tradition!

26. Manjushri's Sword - September 8, 2008

The Dalai Lama and the Tibetan Government in Exile has incited hatred for Shugden practitioners by claiming that they are engaging in ‘cult like practices’, that these practices harm his health and the cause of Tibetan independence that these people are not Buddhist (that must include his own Gurus too!), that they are terrorists and murderers and will stop at nothing to achieve their goals, and that they are being paid by the Chinese.

From the New York demo videos on YouTube you can see how angry these poor Tibetans are, incensed by their faith in the Dalai Lama and his lies.

Who’s causing the schism?

27. dspak08 - September 8, 2008

I would like to respond to JMLee’s post.

First, he says that Buddha used as a disciplinary measure to segregate the offending members of the Sangha. So, therefore, what the DL is doing now is the same. But the supposed ‘offenses’ these ‘trouble makers’ are doing is nothing other than practicing what was a mainstream Gelugpa practice not even 30 years ago. It is only because the DL changed course and declared that what was before perfectly acceptable is now somehow unacceptable that these practitioners suddenly became ‘deviant.’ If Judaism is declared illegal, then suddenly someone practicing Judaism becomes a criminal. But if it is the law itself which is the problem, then the non-compliance with that law is the morally correct response. See Ghandi.

It was also suggested that the solution to this crisis is to just seperate the two groups. I fear that regrettably this is exactly what will happen and is happening. A real schism is being created in the Sangha. But the question is ‘why does this need to happen?’ Absent the DL being opposed to the practice, there would be no problems whatsoever. So, again using the Jewish example, because people are anti-semetic, the solution is separate the Jews from everybody else. But the problem is not their Jewishness, the problem is the anti-semitism. It is the anti-semitism which needs to be abandoned.

Every person who is posting on this controversy really needs to take the time and ask themselves ‘is my speech functioning to heal division or exacerbate it?’ Engaging in one of the heinous actions is karmically not a very good idea…

The only thing Dorje Shugden practitioners are asking is for the Dalai Lama to actually practice the noble words he preaches about tolerance, respect and so forth.

28. dspak08 - September 8, 2008

Hi Tenzin.

Why are you editing on Wikipedia ‘anonymously’ as some random IP address? Strange…

As far as most of what you have to say, it seems to me that most of it relates to thing that are more than 10 years old. We have all grown and matured individually in the last 12 years. In a similar way, the NKT has also grown and matured over this same period of time. Most of what you have to say is yesterday’s news (or I should say, views).

I think we need to be careful to not grasp at the past as being permanent, and continue to fight yesterday’s battles. Everything is different now, and there are plenty of contemporary things one can discuss of the NKT, so I see no need for all of these blogs or the Wikipedia articles to enter into some time warp just because some of its contributors cannot escape their own. I understand you have been out of the NKT for a while now. Perhaps you do not realize that the NKT that appears to your mind from the image you have of a decade ago no longer has any relationship with the present. I know you think that you are ‘protecting people’ by warning them against the ‘evils’ of the NKT. But why do you pretend to be ‘neutral’ and ‘objective’, hiding behind academics and articles you know are not neutral and objective (even if the periodical in which they appear is generally good)? Why do you spend so much of your time criticising other Mahayana traditions? Don’t you have other, more useful things to do with your time than break your bodhisattva vows?

You know as well as we do that the Dharma that Geshe Kelsang teaches is perfectly correct, even if there is some disagreement about the DS issue. Yes, we all agree that the NKT had some growing pains in its early years, but it has also shown a remarkable learning curve for improving and leaving behind some of the excesses that come from some teachers’ enthusiasm getting ahead of their wisdom and skilful means. But don’t we all go through this? I know in your mind you think your intention is good, but at some point do you not have to ask yourself “when is it time to let go and move on?”

It’s kindof like many couples who are too averse to be together, but too attached to break up. So they stay in this intermediate hell for a long long time. If the NKT wasn’t for you, fine. Move on (completely) to something else. Perhaps you can ask yourself, “what really is the difference between what I am doing and the person who never stops criticising their ex-girlfriend for the rest of their life?” It seems like you feel the need to divisively tell every future boyfriend what a devil your ex-girlfriend is to justify your own decision to leave. This is really not necessary, when you think about it.

Different people have different karma, and different things work for them. Yes, the NKT doesn’t work for some people, and like any relationship, there is sometimes some painful break-ups (the Survivors Group)). But what is particularly unique about this that justifies an endless ‘crusade’? A great Buddhist master once said, “there is not a single Dharma mind that feels ‘justified’. All Dharma minds are open and spacious. So if you feel like you are ‘justified’ in what you are doing, you are necessarily not following a Dharma mind.” This has really helped me. Perhaps there is some wisdom in this that you can appreciate.

One final word, the purpose of Wikipedia is not to serve as an ideological battleground. We have plenty of other platforms for such things, so I see no need to sully the noble intentions of Wikipedia by trying to abuse it to advance your own agenda.

Just to clarify, please do not misinterpret anything in my comments here as a personal attack. I really do not mean it as such. I respect you very much and understand you have had a difficult history with the NKT. I am merely trying to help you find some perspective on the whole thing to enable you to move on. It must be mentally quite painful to keep reliving the past as if it were still the present (even if you do not admit it to yourself).

Please feel free to ignore my comments and I apologize if I have caused any offense. It has not been my intention.

Your friend,

Dspak08

29. WISHINGWELL - September 8, 2008

SHAME ON THOSE TIBETANS WHO JOINED THE PROTEST WITH NKT/WSS. IS THIS HOW THEY REPAY FOR THE FREE EDUCATION, SETTLEMENT IN MONASTARIES AND CAMPS, HOSPITALS, CLINICS, BENEFITS THAT TGIE AND HHDL PROVIDED.

30. Tenzin - September 9, 2008

Dear Golden Mala, where it is stated the monks or nuns should use abusive, violent and emotional forcing languages and denounce a respected elder of the Sangha community of being a liar just because he holds a different view?

Moreover the claims are exaggerated and support only the Chinese positions. For more see:
http://westernshugdensociety.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/a-forgotten-perspective-who-is-persecuted/

Best Wishes.

31. Jason - September 10, 2008

Hi Tenzin

It’s not accurate to state ‘just because he holds a different view’ – when DS monks are barred from shops, clinics and chucked out of monasteries this is the result of a BAN – not just a different view – otherwise there would be no Buddhist apartheid taking place and we could simply have different views. It’s when someone is attached to his view and forces it on others using his political power and worldwide popularity that we get a schism. Also, to then deny there’s a ban when there is now a ton of evidence to the contrary – that’s lying isn’t it?

32. Gail - September 25, 2008

Wishing Well, it seems that you do not know or else you have forgotten that Gelugpa Lamas who practiced Dorje Shugden were hugely instrumental in helping the TGIE and HHDL to set up the monasteries, camps, hospitals, clinics, schools and so on.

See http://www.WisdomBuddhaDorjeShugden.org today for an account also of how Dorje Shugden himself helped the Dalai Lama to escape from Tibet.

Is this how the Dalai Lama repays their kindness, loyalty and years of devotion?

33. Gail - September 25, 2008

Sorry, Tenzin Peljor, but I cannot resist this. I need to turn your question back to you:

“Where it is stated the monks or nuns should use abusive, violent and emotional forcing languages and denounce a respected elder of the Sangha community of being a liar just because he holds a different view?”

Have you read Phayul and other Tibetan websites over the last months and years and how they denounce Je Phabongkhapa and Trijang Rinpoche and Geshe Kelsang Gyatso and other respected elders of the Sangha community of being liars, devil worshippers, cult members and so on? And in language that is infinitely more abusive, violent and emotional than anything the WSS has ever used.

Have you seen the things the Dalai Lama says about his own Gurus, that they were “wrong, all wrong”? Have you seen his comments in Newsweek and other publications calling Shugden practitioners cult members and spirit worshippers?

And have you noticed that he has not only resorted to name calling but has backed up his words with an actual ban, using the TGIE to back him, so that Shugden practitioners have three choices (1) give up their cherished practice and commitment to their Gurus (2) go underground or (3) be persecuted?

Luckily, Dorje Shugden practitioners are no longer in thrall to the Dalai Lama, who has proved himself to be a selfish politician every bit as much as a spiritual leader; and they are finally fighting back. There is no way that the Dalai Lama is going to get away with this. Already the tide is turning, luckily for religious freedom and human rights.

34. Buddhist - September 26, 2008

SHAME ON THOSE TIBETANS WHO JOINED THE PROTEST WITH NKT/WSS. IS THIS HOW THEY REPAY FOR THE FREE EDUCATION, SETTLEMENT IN MONASTARIES AND CAMPS, HOSPITALS, CLINICS, BENEFITS THAT TGIE AND HHDL PROVIDED.

Do not blame them, for they have sinned greatly. They are pitiful in nature who doesn’t know the law of karma. What we can only say is that Buddha’s teaching has not helped to tame their mind; and this is only based on the assumption that they ARE practising Buddhist values.

35. Tenzin Peljor - March 8, 2009

HH the Dalai Lama is in Sera Monastery and I received an update about the situation from a monk dwelling there. For those interested see:

http://westernshugdensociety.wordpress.com/2009/03/08/update-on-the-situation-at-sera-monastery-visit-of-hh-the-dalai-lama/

Many Regards, TP

36. The Call of the Dalai Lama to settle the Shugden controversy by majority vote – Tibetan Buddhism :: Struggling With Diffi·Cult Issues - May 30, 2014

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